対イラク武力行使

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june06/iraq_3-20.html

GWEN IFILL:what's your assessment, Mr. Brzezinski,
first, on where we stand three years in?

開戦から三年経った今の情況についてどう御覧になりますか。


ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI,Former National Security Adviser to President Carter
:Well, the fact that it's three years speaks for itself. Obviously,
we haven't been very successful.
We're facing a war of attrition. And in a war of attrition,
if the insurgency that's domestic, that's indigenous is not losing,
it is basically winning, because it is fighting against an occupation
army.
Eighty-seven percent of the Iraqi people want us to leave;
that says something. We just heard Mr. Allawi on the air.
The fact of the matter is neither the sectarian conflict between
the Shiites and the Sunnis, nor the struggle against us, is abating.
It is either continuing at an intense level or getting worse.
There are lessons to be drawn from that.

三年もかかっているということ自体が現実を物語っています。
うまくいっていないのは明らかです。
我々は消耗戦を戦っているのです。
武装勢力はイラク国内の勢力で、負けるどころか勝ちつつあります。
占領軍と戦っているからです。
イラク国民の87％は米軍の撤退を望んでいます。
シーア派とスンニ派の間の宗派間の対立も、
また米軍に対する戦いも下火になっていません。
戦闘は今でも激しく悪化する一方です。


GWEN IFILL:If it were possible to do a cost-benefit analysis on whether
it's been worth it to be in Iraq, as increasingly so many Americans say,
"No," what would you say were the costs and what were the benefits?

この戦争の費用と効果は？


ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: I think the benefits have been, in fact, very few,
beyond the obvious one: the removal of Saddam Hussein.
But we have undermined our international legitimacy.
That's a very high cost to a superpower.
We have destroyed our credibility;no one believes anything the president
says anymore. We have tarnished our morality with Abu Ghraib and Guantan
amo.These are phenomenal costs. And there's, of course, blood and money
and tens of thousands of Iraqi killed.
So, in my view, the time has come to face all of this, to realize that
staying for a prolonged period of time until some ephemeral victory is
not the solution. It is time to leave.
And I think a four-point program could be implemented that would permit
us to leave in a fashion that would not be a debacle: Ask the Iraqi
government to ask us to leave, first of all. And some would ask us.
Some have already asked us, in fact.
Secondly,concert with the Iraqi government on the date of our departure,
so it's a joint decision, I would think in about a year.
Third, the Iraqi government then convenes a conference of neighbors,
Muslim neighbors, who are interested in continued stability in Iraq and
in helping to prevent a civil war from exploding.
And fourth, arrange a donors conference for the recovery of Iraq.
We could do that. I think we'd be better off if we did it; otherwise
we're stuck, and this is getting worse and worse. The region is becoming
more destabilized and hostile to us.