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日本人に産まれながら

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 15:06 投稿番号: [16758 / 196466]
一行文しか書けない君の不幸を哀れみます。

文と同じで短小な君の不幸を憐れみます。

SEXするにも持続性の無い君の不幸を哀れみます。

あぁ、君って、なんて可哀想なんだろう。

しかし一番不幸なのは、

お前を産んだ不憫な母を、心の底から憐れみます。(爆)

>日本はいらない

投稿者: In_one_word 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 14:35 投稿番号: [16757 / 196466]
日本語を学び反日する不幸を憐れみます。

日中関係<中米関係

投稿者: yositaryou 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 13:52 投稿番号: [16756 / 196466]
日本が1つの国とは、思えない。日本は米国の1つの州すぎない。米国対旧ソ連の遠東の基地。冷戦時代が終わり、日本の役割もそろそろじゃないか。ところが、プッシュ政権は冷戦時代の考え方がちょっと残りで、日本は再び活躍したいけど、無理じゃないか。日本はいうまでも米国の外交道具すぎない。日本は自慢することがなにもない。国際社会でのバカの国だな。中国と米国が仲間よくすると日本はいらない。最低の国 -- 日本。

Rien_Dengくん

投稿者: dr_china_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 13:15 投稿番号: [16755 / 196466]
>あなた方はタダでモノを聞こうというのですか。

別に目的は情報が知りたいだけではない。この場合、シナ人がその例を自身で挙げた時に、どのような自己分析をするのか?ということにも興味がある。

中国憲法を挙げたはよいが、憲法と中国の実体についてシナ人自身がどう考えているのか、また、その現実を直視する勇気があるのか?ということには興味がある。

少なくとも、日本国憲法についてあれほど細かく指摘する人物が、中国のことについてはほとんど指摘しない点などをみるとやはり、シナ人には自己改革する意識が極めて薄いことなどが分かる。

日本の教科書

投稿者: hiro_4523 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 13:07 投稿番号: [16754 / 196466]
やはり中国も金払って日本の教科書買った
のかな?
憲法はすぐ出ても、教科書は出ないか。

人頼りではなくて

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 12:45 投稿番号: [16753 / 196466]
ご自分では探せないのかな?

わたしゃ君らに何時までも付き合ってるほど暇じゃないのよ。

ところで君は教えて教えてが癖な様ですが、何か意見はないの?

説明しろとか、紹介しろとか

投稿者: Rien_Deng 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 12:43 投稿番号: [16752 / 196466]
あなた方はタダでモノを聞こうというのですか。情報の価値を理解しないのは、困ったものです。本当の価値ある情報は、相当の対価なしでは得られません。皆さんが情報の価値に目覚めますように。
YELLOWFLUTEさんも大人になってください。

教科書

投稿者: hiro_4523 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 12:33 投稿番号: [16751 / 196466]
早く教科書紹介して、多分南京事件の写真
入りと思うが、中文でOK

逃避癖は君の十八番なのはわかったから

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 12:32 投稿番号: [16750 / 196466]
早くカルト君の代わりに答えて上げなさいな。

君らお友達で笑。

それとも、仮にもDr.なら解らないわけはないよね?

In_one_word君、低俗な事は言ってないで

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 12:26 投稿番号: [16749 / 196466]
君が代わりに答えてくれないかな?

中国の教科書の方はどうなった?

投稿者: dr_china_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 11:47 投稿番号: [16748 / 196466]
現実逃避の憲法ということは良く分かった。

agree

投稿者: hiro_4523 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 11:43 投稿番号: [16747 / 196466]
I agree with you,because content is
so far from actual china

中国拳法?

投稿者: QWERTY_JAPAN_QWERTY 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 11:37 投稿番号: [16746 / 196466]
馬鹿げた英文を垂れ流して、
きょうもYELLOWFLUTEはネットで暇つぶしか。
ところで、中国拳法だって?
チベットの殴り方でも書いてあるのか?

>また誤魔化ししか出来ないの?カルト君

投稿者: In_one_word 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 11:31 投稿番号: [16745 / 196466]
>君は憲法98条2項、及び、憲法前文3項をどの様に法解釈するのか
な?


大原簿記学校で教わったのか?(笑)

第1条から

投稿者: Condoleezza_Rice 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 11:26 投稿番号: [16744 / 196466]
すでに現状から乖離しているのではないかい?

第11条〜第15条

投稿者: YellowFlute 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 11:16 投稿番号: [16743 / 196466]
Article 11. The individual economy of urban and rural working people, operated within the limits prescribed by law, is a complement to the socialist public economy. The state protects the lawful rights and interests of the individual economy. The state guides, helps and supervises the individual economy by exercising administrative control.

Article 12. Socialist public property is sacred and inviolable. The state protects socialist public property. Appropriation or damage of state or collective property by any organization or individual by whatever means is prohibited.

Article 13. The state protects the right of citizens to own lawfully earned income, savings, houses and other lawful property. The state protects by law the right of citizens to inherit private property.

Article 14. The state continuously raises labour productivity, improves economic results and develops the productive forces by enhancing the enthusiasm of the working people, raising the level of their technical skill, disseminating advanced science and technology, improving the systems of economic administration and enterprise operation and management, instituting the socialist system of responsibility in various forms and improving organization of work. The state practises strict economy and combats waste. The state properly apportions accumulation and consumption, pays attention to the interests of the collective and the individual as well as of the state and, on the basis of expanded production, gradually improves the material and cultural life of the people.

Article 15. The state practises economic planning on the basis of socialist public ownership. It ensures the proportionate and co-ordinated growth of the national economy through overall balancing by economic planning and the supplementary role of regulation by the market. Disturbance of the orderly functioning of the social economy or disruption of the state economic plan by any organization or individual is prohibited.

トータルで138条まであるのですが、全部出しましょうか?

第6条〜第10条

投稿者: YellowFlute 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 11:14 投稿番号: [16742 / 196466]
Article 6. The basis of the socialist economic system of the People's Republic of China is socialist public ownership of the means of production, namely, ownership by the whole people and collective ownership by the working people. The system of socialist public ownership supersedes the system of exploitation of man by man; it applies the principle of 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his work.

Article 7. The state economy is the sector of socialist economy under ownership by the whole people; it is the leading force in the national economy. The state ensures the consolidation and growth of the state economy.

Article 8. Rural people's communes, agricultural producers' co-operatives, and other forms of co- operative economy such as producers' supply and marketing, credit and consumers co-operatives, belong to the sector of socialist economy under collective ownership by the working people. Working people who are members of rural economic collectives have the right, within the limits prescribed by law, to farm private plots of cropland and hilly land, engage in household sideline production and raise privately owned livestock. The various forms of co-operative economy in the cities and towns, such as those in the handicraft, industrial, building, transport, commerical and service trades, all belong to the sector of socialist economy under collective ownership by the working people. The state protects the lawful rights and interests of the urban and rural economic collectives and encourages, guides and helps the growth of the collective economy.

Article 9. Mineral resources, waters, forests, mountains, grassland, unreclaimed land, beaches and other natural resources are owned by the state, that is, by the whole people, with the exception of the forests, mountains, grassland, unreclaimed land and beaches that are owned by collectives in accordance with the law. The state ensures the rational use of natural resources and protects rare animals and plants. The appropriation or damage of natural resources by any organization or individual by whatever means is prohibited.

Article 10. Land in the cities is owned by the state. Land in the rural and suburban areas is owned by collectives except for those portions which belong to the state in accordance with the law; house sites and private plots of cropland and hilly land are also owned by collectives. The state may in the public interest take over land for its use in accordance with the law. No organization or individual may appropriate, buy, sell or lease land, or unlawfully transfer land in other ways. All organizations and individuals who use land must make rational use of the land.

第1条〜第5条

投稿者: YellowFlute 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 11:13 投稿番号: [16741 / 196466]
CHAPTER I. GENERAL PRINCIPLES

Article 1. The People's Republic of China is a socialist state under the people's democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on the alliance of workers and peasants. The socialist system is the basic system of the People's Republic of China. Sabotage of the socialist system by any organization or individual is prohibited.

Article 2. All power in the People's Republic of China belongs to the people. The organs through which the people exercise state power are the National People's Congress and the local people's congresses at different levels. The people administer state affairs and manage economic, cultural and social affairs through various channels and in various ways in accordance with the law.

Article 3. The state organs of the People's Republic of China apply the principle of democratic centralism. The National People's Congress and the local people's congresses at different levels are instituted through democratic election. They are responsible to the people and subject to their supervision. All administrative, judicial and procuratorial organs of the state are created by the people's congresses to which they are responsible and under whose supervision they operate. The division of functions and powers between the central and local state organs is guided by the principle of giving full play to the initiative and enthusiasm of the local authorities under the unified leadership of the central authorities.

Article 4. All nationalities in the People's Republic of China are equal. The state protects the lawful rights and interests of the minority nationalities and upholds and develops the relationship of equality, unity and mutual assistance among all of China's nationalities. Discrimination against and oppression of any nationality are prohibited; any acts that undermine the unity of the nationalities or instigate their secession are prohibited. The state helps the areas inhabited by minority nationalities speed up their economic and cultural development in accordance with the peculiarities and needs of the different minority nationalities. Regional autonomy is practised in areas where people of minority nationalities live in compact communities; in these areas organs of self- government are established for the exercise of the right of autonomy. All the national autonomous areas are inalienable parts of the People's Republic of China. The people of all nationalities have the freedom to use and develop their own spoken and written languages, and to preserve or reform their own ways and customs.

Article 5. The state upholds the uniformity and dignity of the socialist legal system. No law or administrative or local rules and regulations shall contravene the constitution. All state organs, the armed forces, all political parties and public organizations and all enterprises and undertakings must abide by the Constitution and the law. All acts in violation of the Constitution and the law must be investigated. No organization or individual may enjoy the privilege of being above the Constitution and the law.

前文4

投稿者: YellowFlute 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 11:11 投稿番号: [16740 / 196466]
The Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference is a broadly representative organization of the united front, which has played a significant historical role and will continue to do so in the political and social life of the country, in promoting friendship with the people of other countries and in the struggle for socialist modernization and for the reunification and unity of the country. The People's Republic of China is a unitary multi-national state built up jointly by the people of all its nationalities. Socialist relations of equality, unity and mutual assistance have been established among them and will continue to be strengthened. In the struggle to safeguard the unity of the nationalities, it is necessary to combat big-nation chauvinism, mainly Han chauvinism, and also necessary to combat local-national chauvinism. The state does its utmost to promote the common prosperity of all nationalities in the country. China's achievements in revolution and construction are inseparable from support by the people of the world. The future of China is closely linked with that of the whole world. China adheres to an independent foreign policy as well as to the five principles of mutual respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity, mutual non-aggression, non-interference in each other's internal affairs, equality and mutual benefit, and peaceful coexistence in developing diplomatic relations and economic and cultural exchanges with other countries; China consistently opposes imperialism, hegemonism and colonialism, works to strengthen unity with the people of other countries, supports the oppressed nations and the developing countries in their just struggle to win and preserve national independence and develop their national economies, and strives to safeguard world peace and promote the cause of human progress. This Constitution affirms the achievements of the struggles of the Chinese people of all nationalities and defines the basic system and basic tasks of the state in legal form; it is the fundamental law of the state and has supreme legal authority. The people of all nationalities, all state organs, the armed forces, all political parties and public organizations and all enterprises and undertakings in the country must take the Constitution as the basic norm of conduct, and they have the duty to uphold the dignity of the Constitution and ensure its implementation.

前文3

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 11:10 投稿番号: [16739 / 196466]
The basic task of the nation in the years to come is to concentrate its effort on socialist modernization. Under the leadership of the Communist Party of China and the guidance of Marxism- Leninism and Mao ZedongThought, the Chinese people of all nationalities will continue to adhere to the people's democratic dictatorship and follow the socialist road, steadily improve socialist institutions, develop socialist democracy, improve the socialist legal system and work hard and self-reliantly to modernize industry, agriculture, national defence and science and technology step by step to turn China into a socialist country with a high level of culture and democracy. The exploiting classes as such have been eliminated in our country. However, class struggle will continue to exist within certain limits for a long time to come. The Chinese people must fight against those forces and elements, both at home and abroad, that are hostile to China's socialist system and try to undermine it. Taiwan is part of the sacred territory of the People's Republic of China. It is the lofty duty of the entire Chinese people, including our compatriots in Taiwan, to accomplish the great task of reunifying the motherland. In building socialism it is imperative to rely on the workers, peasants and intellectuals and unite with all the forces that can be united. In the long years of revolution and construction, there has been formed under the leadership of the Communist Party of China a broad patriotic united front that is composed of democratic parties and people's organizations and embraces all socialist working people, all patriots who support socialism and all patriots who stand for reunification of the motherland. This united front will continue to be consolidated and developed.

前文2

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 11:08 投稿番号: [16738 / 196466]
After the founding of the People's Republic, the transition of Chinese society from a new- democratic to a socialist society was effected step by step. The socialist transformation of the private ownership of the means of production was completed, the system of exploitation of man by man eliminated and the socialist system established. The people's democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on the alliance of workers and peasants, which is in essence the dictatorship of the proletariat, has been consolidated and developed. The Chinese people and the Chinese People's Liberation Army have thwarted aggression, sabotage and armed provocations by imperialists and hegemonists,safeguarded China's national independence and security and strengthened its national defence. Major successes have been achieved in economic development. An independent and fairly comprehensive socialist system of industry has in the main been established. There has been a marked increase in agricultural production. Significant progress has been made in educational, scientific, cultural and other undertakings, and socialist ideological education has yielded noteworthy results. The living standards of the people have improved considerably. Both the victory of China's new-democratic revolution and the successes of its socialist cause have been achieved by the Chinese people of all nationalities under the leadership of the Communist Party of China and the guidance of Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought, and by upholding truth, correcting errors and overcoming numerous difficulties and hardships.

hiroさんは、今日HN取られたばかりですね

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 11:07 投稿番号: [16737 / 196466]
では、こんなので宜しければ前文から

CONSTITUTION OF THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA

PREAMBLE

China is one of the countries with the longest histories in the world. The people of all nationalities in China have jointly created a splendid culture and have a glorious revolutionary tradition. Feudal China was gradually reduced after 1840 to a semi-colonial and semi-feudal country. The Chinese people waged wave upon wave of heroic struggles for national independence and liberation and for democracy and freedom. Great and earth-shaking historical changes have taken place in China in the 20th century. The Revolution of 1911, led by Dr Sun Yat-sen, abolished the feudal monarchy and gave birth to the Republic of China. But the Chinese people had yet to fulfil their historical task of overthrowing imperialism and feudalism. After waging hard, protracted and tortuous struggles, armed and otherwise, the Chinese people of all nationalities led by the Communist Party of China with Chairman Mao Zedong as its leader ultimately, in 1949, overthrew the rule of imperialism, feudalism and bureaucrat capitalism, won the great victory of the new-democratic revolution and founded the People's Republic of China. Thereupon the Chinese people took state power into their own hands and became masters of the country.

なるほど、君は己の認識できない事は

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 11:03 投稿番号: [16736 / 196466]
バカの一言で片付けてしまうのですね。

では、そのバカの考えにさえ遠く認識の及ばない君はいったい何なのでしょうか?

さぁ、逃げてないでそろそろ質問に答えてもらえないものかね?

やはり、君には無理かな?

>中国の憲法

投稿者: dr_china_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 10:00 投稿番号: [16735 / 196466]
日本の法律、憲法を都合よく解釈して

日本を罵倒し、中国を利する専門知識は豊富だが

中国の現実を直視する勇気は彼にはないね。(笑)

中国の憲法

投稿者: hiro_4523 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 09:54 投稿番号: [16734 / 196466]
中国に憲法有ったのか、一党独裁でどんな憲法か、紹介して欲しい。
もっと日本人に中国の教科書を紹介してくれない。

法解釈専門バカの極み

投稿者: dr_china_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 09:51 投稿番号: [16733 / 196466]
>「ほとんど前文には意味が無い」(法解釈上の補助的役割しか持たない)

アホか。法解釈専門バカの極みだ。

お前のような、専門バカがいるから非人間的行為でも正当化されてしまう。

dr_china_2001君、日本語は正確に書こうね

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 09:39 投稿番号: [16732 / 196466]
>日本国憲法前文は、”ほとんど無い”

ではなく、「ほとんど前文には意味が無い」(法解釈上の補助的役割しか持たない)

と言ったんだが、理解できなかったのかな?

まさか、君はこんなに簡単な文章が読めないわけではないよね?

また誤魔化ししか出来ないのかな?カルト君

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 09:30 投稿番号: [16731 / 196466]
君は憲法98条2項、及び、憲法前文3項をどの様に法解釈するのかな?

とても簡単なことなんだが、解らないわけじゃないよね。

自称”人道主義の観点に立ち”くん

投稿者: dr_china_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 09:14 投稿番号: [16730 / 196466]
反日中共信者のキミのどこに

人道主義の観点があるのか。

シ・ナ・チ総統によると

投稿者: dr_china_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 09:07 投稿番号: [16729 / 196466]
日本国憲法前文は、”ほとんど無い”と論ずるシナ人に、”人道主義”など理解できるはずないな。

自称”人道主義”のシナ人アホ丸出し。

何が条約優位説だよ

投稿者: OccultFilms 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 09:03 投稿番号: [16728 / 196466]
憲法に反する条約を結べる道理があるのかい?

日本国憲法発布と日中友好条約締結の時系列はどうなってるんだい?

お前とことん馬鹿だな(憐憫)

ほぅ、君でも憲法前文中段は知ってるのか

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 08:53 投稿番号: [16727 / 196466]
ほとんど前文には意味が無いんだが。(笑)

では、簡単なところで、憲法優位説と条約優位説について簡潔で宜しいですから述べて見ようね。

それから、その説を用いて、君の論を完成させて見よう。

まぁ、君が余程の馬鹿でなければ簡単な質問だから、期待してるよ。

しかし、言うに事欠いて「生存権」とはね・・・(大笑)

パンパース総統

投稿者: OccultFilms 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 08:34 投稿番号: [16726 / 196466]
  日本国民は、恒久の平和を念願し、人間相互の関係を支配する崇高な理想を深く自覚するのであって、平和を愛する諸国民の公正と信義に信頼して、われらの安全と生存を保持しようと決意した。われらは、平和を維持し、専制と隷従、圧迫と偏狭を地上から永遠に除去しようと努めてゐる国際社会において、名誉ある地位を占めたいと思ふ。われらは、全世界の国民が、ひとしく恐怖と欠乏から免かれ、平和のうちに生存する権利を有することを確認する。

これはなんだか分るかな?

日本政府は何より李氏の生存権を認める立場だね。

これは、日中友好条約以前の問題だがね(嘲笑)

掲示板荒らしのdr_china_2001君

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 08:28 投稿番号: [16725 / 196466]
君の考えは○○だろうでは、論にも何にもなっていないんだが、君は基礎教育も受けていないのかな?

wtl961074さん

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 08:22 投稿番号: [16724 / 196466]
貴方はこのトピックでは新しい方ですから、

最近掲示板荒らしによる投稿が増加してるのがお分かりにならないかもしれません。

彼らには当初から議論の意思など無く、中国や中国人をからかったり侮辱するのが楽しみなのですが、

投稿内容をざっとお読みになり、判断が付かないでしょうか?

日中関係と言えば、けして日中台だけの問題ではなく、

歴史認識・経済関係・社会問題・安全保障問題・etc...etc...

と多肢に渡るのは言うまでもないと思います。

そこで、日中関係を語る上での基本的な原理・原則とは日中共同声明であり、

日中平和条約であると言っているのです。

その一番基礎になる根幹を認識せず騒いでいるのが増えたので注意したのですが、

貴方に誤解を与えたようです。

人道主義の観点???

投稿者: dr_china_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 08:07 投稿番号: [16723 / 196466]
>私の考えは、以前中台関係トピで述べたように、人道主義の観点に立ち、
この様なケースの場合入国を認めるとの考えですが、何か問題でもありますか?

はあ?実際のチミは以下だろ。

私(YELLOW)の考えは、いつも中国関係トピで述べるように、常に反日の観点に立ち、
あらゆるケースで反日罵倒を認めるとの考えですが、何か問題でもありますか?

回答します。

投稿者: wtl961074 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 07:33 投稿番号: [16722 / 196466]
この様なケースの場合入国を認めるとの考えですが、何か問題でもありますか?
⇒では、まず日中共同宣言を読みなさいというのは何のことでしょうか?もっとその前の投稿を探してみましたが、全然噛み合っていないって感じでしたので、多分李さん訪日問題を言っているのではないかと思って、そういうふうに書きましたが、勘違いしたら、ごめんなさい。
入管法の「権限のある機関の発行した文書」に
政令で上記機関に台湾を定めた事により条約違反はしていませんが、
⇒どういうことを言っているかわかりませんが、もし、ほかのトビで討論していた台湾人の入管申請する際の国籍欄記入問題であれば、恐らく、台湾の人が日本の役人に対して”俺、中国人じゃないよ”という意味で国籍欄に台湾と記入して、入管のほうは別にそう書いた台湾人に”ちゃんと直せ”と言わないだけではないか。どう直すか役人の仕事だと思います。それで何か問題があるのでしょうか?それでも条約違反などになるのでしょうか?条約でも権限のある機関の発行した文書にどういうふうに記入されても日本の国内法に何の罰則もないはずです。

なぜそういう関係になるの?

投稿者: wtl961074 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 07:21 投稿番号: [16721 / 196466]
台湾も中国も誰かの女ではなく、台湾と付き合っているから中国と付き合うなということがもし台湾政府が主張したら、台湾政府の非になります。逆に中国政府がそういう要求すれば明らかに中国政府の勘違いや大人気ないところだと思います。まして一民間人の訪日に対しての中国の怒りや不満に理解できません。中国政府がそういう子供のような態度は今まで日本政府が甘やかしてきたせいだと思います。これから日本と中国両国がもっと大人な関係を築いていくことを期待し、外務省の役人達(特に中国担当者)頑張ってもらいたいです。

明るくはないね、未来は、中国も日本も、

投稿者: Canadian2001_06 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 07:00 投稿番号: [16720 / 196466]
どこに行ってもよその人々に嫌われる、、、未来は明るい?

平気で差別をしている、、、未来は明るい?

どうぞ、反論を   。。。

nita2さんの偽物君

投稿者: YELLOW_FLUTE_2001 投稿日時: 2001/04/25 02:13 投稿番号: [16719 / 196466]
君はやってることに芸もなければ、能もないよ。

もう少し本物を見習いなさい。
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